Free Market Capitalism is Immoral

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By Joyus Crynoid

An Essay on the Immorality of Capitalism, Given that the Economy is a Thermodynamic System

So here we are:

Just a few years into the Information Age and barely two centuries after the Industrial Revolution, the Western world is experiencing the excruciating convulsions of withdrawal. Looking to the future while reflecting on the past, can science explain our present pain?

And if so, what are the moral implications?

Before proceeding, note that these two questions examine two sides of a coin.

The first side—scientific explanation—deals with objective facts of existence, to the extent that they can be discerned. It serves to provide insight into causality, and thus into what is predictable (or knowable) about nature. While science acknowledges that not all facts can be discerned with certainty, some, like the pull of gravity, are indisputable.

The other side of the coin—morality—deals with subjective responses to existence. It serves to provide for the common good. As individual subjects engaged in the ongoing creation of reality, we each behave morally or immorally to the extent that we positively or negatively affect the wellbeing of other subjects, and to the extent that this matters.

The objective lessons that we learn through science can be combined with our subjective sense of morality to inform the choices we make—choices that contribute to development of a socio-economic system of interdependencies that one way or another constrain our activity.

We have discovered many facts of existence since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. For example, we have learned that no engine can ever work with 100% efficiency. We have also learned that all life on earth, including human life, is composed of cells derived by cell division from a common ancestor that lived over 4 billion years ago. We are kin to all creatures.

At the same time, our subjective sense of morality has not changed, and spans all cultures. Unlike objective reality, it is quite simple, and can be distilled down to a single criterion: The Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. By this rule it is immoral to (knowingly) do things that increase the suffering of others, because none of us would have others do things that increase our own suffering.

So again, we may ask: what has science taught us about our present predicament? And given the Golden Rule, what are the moral implications of those lessons?

Jumping to the punch line—

From a scientific perspective, the economy is a thermodynamic system. As such, it is governed by the laws of thermodynamics. Our present predicament is a consequence of free market capitalism, an economic system motivated by acquisitive activities of some individuals that, by virtue of the laws of thermodynamics, predictably (and hence knowingly) increase the suffering of others. Since this violates the Golden Rule, we must conclude that free market capitalism is immoral.

I will now unpack and defend each of these statements in turn.

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Sadi Carnot

The economy is a thermodynamic system

Thermodynamics literally means the movement of heat. The science of thermodynamics began with the Industrial Revolution, as engineers sought to maximize the work efficiency of the steam engine. Sadi Carnot (1796-1832), “the Father of Thermodynamics”, showed that some of the energy that is used to create the steam that forces the motion of the pistons is always lost as heat that cannot be recovered in a useful form. In other words, whenever potential energy (for example, that stored in coal) is converted to a functional form of kinetic energy (for example, the directed movement of a steam engine) some of the potential is irrecoverably lost as heat that is incapable of fulfilling the same function. We now know that this is due to friction, which always of necessity occurs when material bodies interact. This fact of existence eventually became known as the Second Law of Thermodynamics. It is the reason that it is not possible to engineer a “perpetual motion machine”.

The fact that the Industrial Revolution led to the discovery of the Second Law was not a coincidence, and is quite pertinent to what follows. For, the Industrial Revolution was an economic revolution, whereby the power of energy locked away in fossil fuels was transformed into the power of machine-driven commerce. Fuel-burning engines greatly increased the power of anyone clever enough to construct and use them, and thence the amount of wealth that could be amassed by leveraging that power to create things of value. To whom that wealth goes depends of course on the laws of the land, and is hence determined by history and politics (not to mention sociology, culture, psychology, biology, and geography).

The Industrial Revolution did not create the laws of thermodynamics; it only motivated their discovery, owing to the increased interest of scientifically-minded engineers in pushing the limits of their newfound power. Like gravity, the laws of thermodynamics are merely facts of existence, which presumably originated at the beginning of time. In addition to the so-called Second Law, described above, there is the First Law: energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed from one form to another. In other words, the First Law says that nothing comes from nothing, while the Second Law says that nothing comes for free. Any transformation of energy incurs an irrecoverable cost. The technical term for that cost is entropy: the amount of energy that is lost forever whenever something is made to happen—energy that can never again be used for the same purpose.

An economy is a system of interactions in which goods and services are exchanged between individuals and organizations. Since those individuals and organizations exist entirely by virtue of energy use, and since the creation and exchange of goods and services also uses energy, an economy is a thermodynamic system. Hence, it is bound by the laws of thermodynamics. It does not create energy, it simply transforms it. And some of the energy that is transformed becomes entropy that is “dissipated”, lost forever.

For a system that is striving to persist this is not a problem as long as there is enough energy coming into the system to replace that which is dissipated. Terrestrial ecosystems are complex living economies that grow and are sustained by energy from the sun, which more than compensates for what they dissipate away.

However, the Second Law is consequential beyond the simple fact that no machine can ever work with 100% efficiency. As a consequence of friction things wear out over time. As a consequence of combustion (or other forms of energy release such as nuclear fission) fuel is converted into material waste that is less useful but which is nevertheless consequential. For example, CO2, a major byproduct of carbon fuels, is a greenhouse gas. And many byproducts of energy use are toxic.

In biology the major consequence of the Second Law is that organisms get old and decrepit and eventually die, owing to accumulating wear and tear and metabolic toxins. But in the economics of ecology most everything gets recycled, so there is very little waste other than the heat that must (according to the Second Law) be dissipated.

Obviously that is not true for human economies that developed after the Industrial Revolution. For one thing they do not run on a limitless source of free energy, but rather on highly concentrated energy stored in deposits within the earth. Those deposits are being withdrawn far more quickly than they can ever be replaced. And while much of the potential energy stored in them is converted to the kinetic energy of commerce, much of it is dissipated, not only as heat, but also as unusable (and often toxic) chemical waste. All the while the machine infrastructure undergoes continuous frictional degradation, requiring repair and replacement fueled by the same high grade energy deposits. We are burning it as fast as we possibly can, and as a direct result the human population has exploded, leaving in its wake a considerable accumulation of toxic waste. Why is that? Why don’t we exert more self control? Why have we gotten ourselves into the fix we are in?

Adam Smith
Adam Smith

Our predicament is a consequence of free market capitalism

“Capitalism” refers to an economic system wherein individuals accumulate wealth (capital) by selling things of value for a profit, which presupposes that individual ‘ownership’ is a good thing, and a right that deserves legal protection. It is essentially motivated by the self-interest of individuals, which stimulates competition. But it can and does (under some circumstances) benefit societies, because the wealth accumulated by individuals can be shared through trade, thus providing for the common good. The Scottish philosopher Adam Smith (1723-1790) articulated the theory of capitalism in his magnum opus An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations. It was Smith’s second major work, the first being, appropriately (and ironically) enough given the present discussion, The Theory of Moral Sentiments.

Smith was a product of the European Enlightenment that gave birth to the Industrial Revolution, and his thinking was very much in line with that late historical development. A key to Smith’s definition of capitalism is a division of labor, wherein individuals specialize, like parts of a machine, at carrying out certain jobs according to their unique talents. Specialization—devoting most of one’s time to a specific task—allows one to create something that is more refined, and hence of greater value, than is possible if one’s time is spent doing many different things. An economic system composed of specialists with different but complementary talents can be much more efficient and effective at completing a specific project than one that is composed of generalists that all do similar things—and hence more competitive in the marketplace. And so the specific project of creating and accumulating wealth—a form of power—is greatly facilitated by a division of labor.

Note however that the more specialized one becomes, the less aware one need be. This is true not only for humans, but for all animals. Focusing on a specific task both promotes and is facilitated by ignorance of what is happening outside of one’s limited sphere of influence. So capitalism fosters ignorance of what is happening in the world at large.

The division of labor also fosters the stratification of society into economic classes. In a mature capitalistic system those who own and thus control the capital are usually not those who do the work to create it. The latter—the laborers—generally do not have time or energy, much less the necessary capital, to successfully compete in speculative investment, because they must spend so much time working just to make ends meet. This is because in capitalism value derives entirely from the marketplace, which ascribes no value to labor.

A division of labor requires a system of trade that uses currency—a universal quantitative proxy for the actual things of value. So capitalism develops naturally, through occupational specialization, toward the use of currency as a vehicle for trade. Accumulation of wealth can then be quantified by the amount of currency one has at one’s disposal, based on the amount of capital that one owns. And the more capital one owns, the less one has to labor to survive.

The accumulation of capital is a form of growth. Growth is simply an increase in capacity, throughput, or physical size—that is, an increase in power to do more and expand one’s domain of influence. In the real world growth is limited by resource availability, a consequence of the laws of thermodynamics (“nothing comes for nothing, and nothing comes for free”). When a system grows to the limits of its resource base it must stop growing.

However, it may nevertheless continue in its attempts to grow. But such attempts meet with success only to the extent that resources tied up somewhere within the system are sacrificed (‘liquidated’), which can only lead to one thing: death of part or all of the system.

Free market capitalism is a system motivated by the accumulation of wealth. As such it exists for one reason and one only, and that is to grow. Growth is its sole project, its raison d’etre. But the laws of thermodynamics do not allow unlimited growth—as any astute observer of nature knows. When the growth of a system reaches the limits of its resource base, continued efforts to grow cause some part of, and possibly the whole, system to collapse. This is a thermodynamic fact. It is the reason why cancer kills its host.

Like cancer, free market capitalism does not recognize the limits to growth, and it does not self-regulate for the greater good. It is an engine of growth—nothing more, and nothing less. When Adam Smith articulated his theory the world afforded an abundance of natural and human resources that could be exploited and thence transformed into wealth by the capitalistic engine. Most of those resources are now gone, and what is left is barely enough to sustain the system in a state of homeostasis. The system has stopped growing because it has reached the limits of growth. But capitalists still work on the growth project, and as a necessary consequence of their work, the system has begun to collapse.

And so, to answer the questions posed above at the end of the last section: Why don’t we exert more self control? Why have we gotten ourselves into the fix we are in? The answer is that long ago, in a world that was very different from the one we live in now, human beings became enchanted with the power that free market capitalism grants under conditions that favor growth. That enchantment fostered, and was in turn reinforced by, the “nose to the grindstone” ignorance that comes with increasing occupational specialization demanded by the capitalist Economy.

Although the Laws of Thermodynamics were articulated just a few decades after Smith published Wealth of Nations, their clear implications were largely ignored. Many (perhaps most) of us have yet to come to grips with those laws, much less the limits on growth that they impose. We have thus failed to recognize that the ultimate consequence of our capitalistic enchantment is widespread suffering and death. Free-market capitalism establishes an economy that is, in essence, a cancer growing on earth.

Free market capitalism predictably increases suffering and is therefore immoral

The aptness of the cancer metaphor cannot be overstated. Unregulated growth always becomes cancerous. Unless a system regulates its growth (as all organisms do genetically) it will grow to the thermodynamic limit. At that point something has to give—and it usually starts with the weakest (i.e. poorest) parts of the system.

Ask anyone who has known the ravages of cancer: unregulated growth invariably causes suffering.

And so it is with free-market capitalism, a system based solely on acquisitive growth-promoting activities of individuals. Eventually such activities predictably, and hence knowingly, cause someone somewhere to suffer. And this violates the Golden Rule.

Free-market capitalism is therefore immoral.

The Rich Young Man Went Away Sorrowful (Le jeune homme riche s'en alla triste) - James Tissot  (1836-1902)
The Rich Young Man Went Away Sorrowful (Le jeune homme riche s'en alla triste) - James Tissot (1836-1902)
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Postcript (for those who believe that morality requires religion)

I am not the first to argue that capitalism is immoral. Jesus said as much when he pointed out that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The moral of that story is clear enough.

So, capitalism is not only immoral, it is un-Christian. Anyone who claims to be both a devout Christian and a free market capitalist is a bald-faced liar, because it is impossible to be both. So if you are a true Christian, and you come across someone making such claims (perhaps a politician asking for a donation or your vote), it behooves you to follow Jesus and say to them: “Get thee behind me Satan!” For that person is, if anything, the anti-Christ.

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mortimerjackson Level 2 Commenter 7 months ago

Capitalism is not immoral. It is amoral. That is, morality isn't factored in the mind of the capitalist. As opposed to immoral, in which capitalists do evil for the sake of it.

You bring a point that I hope more people will understand. America is not a free-market country. Laissez faire contradicts the needs of a society. Like with all things, there has to be a balance.

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Evan G Rogers Level 2 Commenter 7 months ago

I simply must protest the fallacies of this argument.

Under Capitalism, things don't grow unchecked. This is a false assumption.

Your argument: If I tear down entire forests to build pencils, then there is no lumber to build anything else.

The fallacy: That growth is unregulated.

In Truth: Growth is always regulated.

The correct way to look at things: If I begin to chop down lumber, that I supposedly own, and were to begin making pencils, then the price of lumber would slowly increase as people would be unable to build things that they really want AND the price of pencils would dramatically decrease.

Thus, the horrendous overusage of lumber to build pencils is checked very thoroughly by the greed to build houses.

But that's not the end of it!

The price of chopping down lumber increases because the person owning the forest would realize that his future livelihood would plummet when the forest was depleted. Thus he is encouraged to manage the forest much more stingily.

Result: usage of resources are used to their most profitable, and most useful, uses; depletion of resources is minimized; waste is minimized; and growth in each sector is kept in check by the simple act of trading.

From a purely Utilitarian perspective, Free-Market Capitalism is a win-win system.

And from the perspective of humanity, there is no system that ensures freedom BUT free-market capitalism. One can not be free to buy and sell as he so chooses lest he is free.

Black markets are nothing more than a symptom of tyranny.

Free-Markets are both utilitarian-ly better, and the ONLY system that allows for freedom.

Also: To claim that Christians can't support Free-Market Capitalism is just utterly and completely false. It's impossible to know where to begin with such a claim.

Here's a Free-Market Economist / Christian discussing the issue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZTLsOgSyno

Finally: I want to emphasize that Free-Market Capitalism is nothing more than the exercise of being human. Humans produce, and then trade what they produce to make their lives better. If you claim that this is wrong/immoral, then you are simply saying that humanity is wrong/immoral.

And, REALLY, you're arguing that all life is immoral -- for all living things act as best they can to increase their livelihoods.

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mortimerjackson Level 2 Commenter 7 months ago

I have concluded that Evan G Rogers is immoral. Because he cares more about "isms" than reality.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 7 months ago

Mortimer: I would agree with you, except that we have now gotten to a point where we should all know better. You are right that "morality isn't factored in the mind of the capitalist." But that itself is immoral, as it is willful ignorance. And we really can't afford that any more, given the state of the world.

I don't define immoral as doing "evil for the sake of it". Few if any of us do that, but many (perhaps most) of us behave immorally in some aspect of our life, if you take the Golden Rule seriously. If there is anything to the Christian notion of sin, that's what it is.

Your statement "Like with all things, there has to be a balance" is spot on. Laissez faire capitalism has brought us far out of balance and the world is suffering for it.

So I stand by my claim that free market capitalism is immoral.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 7 months ago

Evan: Clearly you are well-versed in Smith's theory. Unfortunately the rather simplistic ideals (illustrated by your forest into pencils scenario) are thoroughly contradicted by complex reality. But your faith is admirable, if mis-placed.

You said "The price of chopping down lumber increases because the person owning the forest would realize that his future livelihood would plummet when the forest was depleted. Thus he is encouraged to manage the forest much more stingily." If that held true we wouldn't have the serious problems with deforestation that we have.

Your argument rests on the assumption that human beings are aware and enlightened enough to self-regulate by taking into account long-term and far-reaching consequences. But that is unrealistic, particularly in a global economy, because people generally don't concern themselves with problems ("externalities") that are way outside of their immediate concern or domain of influence. So if the forest I own is on the other side of the world, and chopping it down is going to make me a huge profit, I am going to have it chopped down. The fact that doing so will contribute to global warming, ruin the livelihood of indiginous people, and cause the extinction of species doesn't enter into my calculation, because it is quite easy for me to simply ignore (or even deny) those inconvenient truths.

You said "Free-Market Capitalism is nothing more than the exercise of being human. Humans produce, and then trade what they produce to make their lives better. If you claim that this is wrong/immoral, then you are simply saying that humanity is wrong/immoral." This is true. And I would indeed say that humanity, in its present stage of evolution, is "wrong/immoral".

However, regarding "And, REALLY, you're arguing that all life is immoral -- for all living things act as best they can to increase their livelihoods." While the latter part of that statement is true, the difference between humanity and "all life" is that being human, we (presumably) know what we are doing, and have the ability to choose how to behave morally based on that knowledge. Morality is a human construct, and does not apply to non-human life.

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Evan G Rogers Level 2 Commenter 7 months ago

Just because you're adding more and more and bigger and bigger numbers doesn't mean you're still not doing addition.

Complexity doesn't change the rules, it - at most - masques the addition.

As for "deforestation" - the US (a relatively free-market country) doesn't have much of a deforestation problem. The areas that DO have the problem are those that are less free.

And let me address this statement you made by merely pointing out the hypocrisy of it:

"people generally don't concern themselves with problems ("externalities") that are way outside of their immediate concern or domain of influence."

... said the person who's claiming that deforestation is a serious problem throughout the world...

Surely you see that your statement is false! You have NOTHING to gain from forestation or deforestation, yet here you are writing about its problems!!

And, to MotimerJackson, if you wish to speak of broad ideas such as the generation of wealth through free trade, or the ideas of an entire faith of people, or the belief system that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the belief system that no person is allowed to infringe on your own God-Given rights...

... then labeling the ideas just aides in communication.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 7 months ago

Evan:

"Complexity doesn't change the rules, it - at most - masques the addition."

Clearly you (like most folks) don't understand what complexity is, because it changes everything. Reality is complex, whereas our models (such as free market theory) are at best oversimplifications, and at worst dangerous distortions. But as they say, ignorance is bliss.

"As for "deforestation" - the US (a relatively free-market country) doesn't have much of a deforestation problem. The areas that DO have the problem are those that are less free."

Who owns the land, and who is buying the wood? Surely you don't believe that US corporations don't contribute to that problem. You appear not to understand globalization or the meaning of multi-national corporations.

As for your last series of statements, ending with "You have NOTHING to gain from forestation or deforestation, yet here you are writing about its problems!!" There is no hypocrisy here (and even if there is that is no argument--show me a human being and I will show you a hypocrite). Deforestation affects, among other things, the world's climate, which affects me directly, and the diversity of species, which I hold dear. So I have plenty to gain from its prevention. As do my descendents, for whom I also care.

Your arguments hold no water. But thanks for commenting!

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Evan G Rogers Level 2 Commenter 7 months ago

Don't be fooled: I'm not a Keynesian Economist. Too much aggregation has led Keynes (and our government) to play us for chumps.

But these are not Free-Market enterprises - government and central banks are State institutions.

Next: The US surely does buy the lumber, but as I stroll down the isle, I can see "Chopped from renewable forests" labeled - without the aide of government - on the lumber.

Blaming the US's free markets for taking advantage of state-led deforestation is merely to acknowledge defeat.

And, yes, your statement did have hypocrisy: You claimed that people don't bother worrying about things in the future, nor of things that don't affect them...

... yet here we are talking about foreign countries' issues of deforestation.

I'm afraid it seems I've won the argument.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 7 months ago

I'm afraid it seems you've stopped making sense. I fail to see the relevance of anything in your last comment. You said:

"Blaming the US's free markets for taking advantage of state-led deforestation is merely to acknowledge defeat."

What does that have to do with the price of beans in China? It seems to me that if anything you are agreeing with me, but are striving mightily not to admit it (as that would be "to acknowledge defeat").

You haven't won the argument, because you haven't even addressed it (much less the points that I made in the essay).

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Evan G Rogers Level 2 Commenter 7 months ago

Your argument was that Free-Markets are immoral and cancerous. Then you went on to say that we should blame US businesses for buying lumber that came from nonrenewable deforestation.

The point I made is that, generally, the countries that don't protect or renew their forests are usually the ones that are NOT Free-Market; they are the countries with strict governments, like most of South America. The forests in the US, however, are almost entirely being renewed as they are being torn down.

Yet you insist that the problem is the market side, when it is clear that the real problem lies in government.

Blaming the US businesses for buying lumber from states that refuse to let their people protect their forests is like blaming a child for being spoiled by their parents.

Free-markets are sustainable, and state-controlled markets lead to death and poverty. Yet you are mad at the Free Markets.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 7 months ago

Evan, your arguments have as much substance as the economic bubbles that are bursting all around us--all because of government de-regulation. Your statement--

"Blaming the US businesses for buying lumber from states that refuse to let their people protect their forests is like blaming a child for being spoiled by their parents"

--is very telling. It implies that we are spoiled children. And yet you seem to think that we can nevertheless behave like responsible adults in commerce. Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

The fact is, we may be spoiled, but we are not children, and we are not innocent. By taking advantage of market opportunities that present themselves (as any good free marketeer must do) we are to blame for the negative consequences that ensue, because we have brains with the ability to foresee what those consequences are.

The system (free market capitalism) always presents such opportunities. In that way it is like a drug pusher. And that is immoral.

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Evan G Rogers Level 2 Commenter 7 months ago

I never once implied that "humanity' is a bunch of spoiled children. I was arguing that YOU are demanding one thing in your article, but are ignoring that very demand in your replies.

... at least, I think you're talking about humanity. You suddenly started using the plural pronoun "we" in that last post...

Your last statement here has proven to me that it will futile to pursue further discussion with you.

Capitalism presents us with opportunities... BUT SO DO DRUG DEALERS!!

Wow. That is THE definition of a straw-man argument.

Have a good life. Always remember that just because two things have mild similarities, they are not always equivalent. After all, the number "two" is made up of two "ones", and thus - by your horrific logic - the number two is actually number one.

See ya.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 7 months ago

Evan, your lack of logic is exceeded only by your cluelessness. But perhaps that is just youthful naivety. You are clearly enchanted by an idea.

If you could name one example of an actual (as opposed to hypothetical) free market that is sustainable and non-exploitative I might be willing to cede your point. But I don't think you can, or you would have already.

You don't even see the clear implications of your own comments. Maybe you should put your thinking cap on before making them.

I'd wish you well in your delusions, except that it is just such delusions that are the downfall of humanity.

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Evan G Rogers Level 2 Commenter 7 months ago

Sustainable free-market enterprise: The Drug trade.

It's illegal, so it's not just FREE-market, it's Free-Market PLUS avoiding the law.

Government is a parasite. Deal with it.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 7 months ago

Wow Evan, you just proved my point. Thank you!

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Wesman Todd Shaw 6 months ago

I'm very impressed with this well written and thought provoking article! Glad to have found it! Now the harder part - thinking about it.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 6 months ago

Thank you WTS. Let me know if anything doesn't follow or make sense!

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My Esoteric Level 6 Commenter 6 months ago

Rated it awesome; also clicked on a couple of your more interesting Google ads for good measure.

While I might argue with you about some of the details, I can't in its basic premise. As to @Evan and your discussion, I noticed when talking about American deforestation, or the lack of it, it was never mentioned what it was like 100 years ago. Then, America WAS running out of forests and doing so at an amazing clip! It wasn't until the government intervened, over heavy Conservative opposition, with regulations Requiring reforestation as the forests were cut down; the loggers did not do this of their own free will.

Nor did they stop polluting the environment so badly that it literally was killing lakes, like Lake Erie, and rivers; and I mean dead. It didn't bother them that they made cars so dirty that, as a kid, I watched the San Gabriel mountains disappear from view. It wasn't until the 1960s and the era of government regulations did things start to change. It took 30 years for Lake Erie to come back and 35 years for the San Gabriel mountains to slowly come back into view; they are only partly their now, not what I remember yet.

Please don't tell me Capitalists are moral and the unregulated free-market system works to the long-term betterment of society; it doesn't; it only works to the short-term betterment of the capitalists themselves.

What does work to the betterment of the society as a whole, labor and capitalist alike, is a REGULATED free-market system where the regulation is sufficient to protect the environment and the rights of the workers angainst the natural exesses of capitalists; that way all benefit. You also need the Federal Reserve system to regulate money supply and stop the boom-bust cycle Joyus referred to in the hub, created because of the 1907 Panic (caused by two capitalist trying to corner the copper market). It came into being at the beginning of 1914 (after two more recessions). From that point on there were only two or three more financially-based serious recessions/depressions, 1929, 1937, and 2008. In the 70 years prior to 1929, there were 21 major monetary-based recessions/depressions.

Enough with this hub of mins, sorry.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 6 months ago

Thank you My Esoteric! You make many good points. I lived in Pasadena in the 1990s so I know what you mean about the San Gabriel Mtns. I remember sunny days in late summer you couldn't see them from 5 miles away.

Evan is right, in a way. Sooner or later capitalism "regulates" itself, of necessity. But that kind of "regulation" involves a lot of suffering, because it is generally too little too late, coming as it does after the resources are gone and the environment is trashed.

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My Esoteric Level 6 Commenter 6 months ago

Yes, it does, in the infamous boom-bust cycles of the 1800s. We had a true Conservative heaven up until Teddy Roosevelt, and paid for it dearly with human suffering and misery followed by wonderful good times only to dashed five to fifteen years later with crushing poverty for most of the country again; that stopped after 1937 until the wolves were let loose again in 2001. In between 1937 and 2009, we had many a good times, as good or better than we ever had, with only so-so bad times, compared to what they used to be.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 6 months ago

Indeed. Although, I might say that the wolves were let loose again in 1980, and the good times that came since then were all bubbles, the biggest of which burst in 2008. Reagan got elected on the power of fantasy (i.e. delusion), a reaction in part to Carter telling it like it is. We are now finally waking up to reality.

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Sophia Angelique Level 6 Commenter 5 months ago

Pcunix posted a link to your hub. I agree with him. Your reasoning and explanations are brilliant and I agree with you. :)

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Pcunix Level 7 Commenter 5 months ago

Did I say brilliant? If I did, it was only because I could not think of a better word.

Bravo, Joyus. Oh, and ignore Evan: he means well but he has been seduced by Libertarianism.

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Pcunix Level 7 Commenter 5 months ago

By the way, Joyus, you say we are "now waking up to reality".

*Some* of us were never asleep, and I'm really not sure how may others are really waking up at all. Maybe this upcoming U.S. election will tell us - I hope it is not bad news.

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Zily Popygaj 5 months ago

I'm still reading through the essay, but I'm compelled to note that the claim "The other side of the coin—morality—deals with subjective responses to existence" is not factual.

The fact is that studies have shown that empathy normally begins to develop even before speech, and by grade-school age, children innately understand that:

1) what hurts them, also hurts others, and

2) since they don't like being hurt, it's other people don't like being hurt, so hurting them is wrong.

It usually takes training to overcome this innate empathy; the exception to that is psychopathy/sociopathy, where there is little or no communication between the amygdala and the frontal lobes (psychopathy); or that lack of communication, plus a small amygdala (sociopathy).

The fact is that human survival as a species long depended upon empathy because even bare survival for a human alone in nature is exceedingly difficult, and exceedingly rare. Humans are therefore, like our cousin-species, social animals. Additionally, when some member of the genus _Homo_ turned up with a modern mind, and benefited form the survival advantage that was afforded by the ability to create complex plans for everything from hunting, to tool-making, to erecting shelter, the modern-brained descendents also learned that, when they worked together, they not only had a better chance of survival, but also, they could build lives that were more comfortable and more secure than bare survival. Also, in a group, human inventiveness was able to become specialized, and therefore increasingly refined, because individual inventiveness/specialization benefited the group, while the group provided support for the specialist.

Therefore, the fact is also that humans evolved as a varied species: a "night owl" had value when it came to standing watch over the group at night, while others slept; the person who today is demeaned for "not sitting still" in a classroom might, in ancient times, have been the individual who constantly scanned the environment for threats while the rest of the group was focused on collecting food.

Therefore:

"morality" is *not*, in fact, "merely subjective" - it is the translation of an evolutionary biological trait into thought, into a code of behavior.

Morality is rooted in the innate empathetic understanding that others feel hurt as we ourselves do, and then expanding one's feeling that one shouldn't be hurt by others, and extending it such that one realizes what precisely it is to hurt others. It is also rooted in the simple understanding that humans do tend to treat one as one treats them (a.k.a. "The Golden Rule"), and that if one hurts others, one is likely to be hurt by them in return; although animals, especially domesticated animals, can be taught that certain behaviors (such as biting) elicit negative consequences, "morality" is the application of human thought, planning, and understanding to that learning such that a human understands that it's wrong/immoral to hurt someone else.

Thus, morality, in it's nascent or most basic form, is biology that's been refined by the human capacity for abstract thought.

The "subjectiveness" of morality arises because people form derivatives of the basics, and then derivatives of those derivatives...

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 5 months ago

Sophia: Thanks for reading and commenting. I'm glad you agree:-)

PC: Thanks for the plug, which resulted in a big surge in hits--much obliged!

I agree that some of us were never asleep. And while I am encouraged by the awakening evinced by the OWS protests, I am not holding my breath for things getting better after the next election.

Zily: I agree with what you say. Nevertheless, I stand by my claim that morality deals with subjective responses to existence. This is indeed a statement of fact. I suspect that what we have here is a semantic issue. For me "subjective" doesn't merit the adverb "merely". Empathy is a subjective response, because it is something that is experienced by a subject. While you are correct that there are good objective reasons for its evolution, this does not negate either its reality or importance. Since morality requires empathy, it cannot be understood without reference to subjective experience. This contrasts with the laws of physics (for example), which are "merely" objective.

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Zily Popygaj 5 months ago

Hello, Joyous, I didn't mean my comment as a contradiction, so much as an addition to, or expansion of, what you wrote. I should have explained a bit better as to why I used the word "merely"; the reason was that the word "subjective" is often taken to mean something similar to "imagined" or even "illusory" - I ought to have specified that I had meant to contrast human reactions to real situations, as opposed to imagined events. Which also is not to say that your essay implied those - I just felt compelled to note that reactions are usually rooted in reality, in real situations, as opposed to being illusory.

I also did not intend to negate the existence of empathy - my intention was actually to strengthen the argument for its existence. Again, I ought to have been more clear, and was remiss in not being so. I was, in essence, "pre-answering" the claim, based in Ayn Rand's praise of selfishness, that empathy is somehow illusory, or that it is nothing more than "brainwashing".

As you note, empathy is the root of morality, and I'm embarrassed for having failed to clarify that my intent was to strengthen that point, not oppose it.

You are also correct in noting that the laws of physics are merely objective, and in fact, their only importance to our practical lives as humans is our experience of them. If they didn't affect our daily lives, they'd be nothing more to us than obscure curiosities.

Human-created problems cane be solved by humans - as long as humans realize that we are both individuals, *and* social beings capable of empathy and, therefore, morality, and that neither of those aspects of human nature can be ignored without consequence. And, to a large extent, what gets called "free market capitalism" is, as your essay implies, a rejection of empathy (humans' social nature: empathy, morality, and the sense of a Common Good) and not just an embrace of individualism, but an elevation of individual self-interest to The Supreme Value, such that its pursuit superceded any consideration whatsoever of whether that pursuit caused harm to others and/or to society in general.

So, again, my intent was not at all to contradict you, but to add an additional dimension to your analysis.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 5 months ago

Thanks for the clarification Zily. Don't be embarrassed--your comments are excellent, and I appreciate you making them.

Zily Popygaj 5 months ago

Hello, Joyous,

Thank you, and I'm glad the clarification helped.

And heck, a little embarrassment is good for the soul - it keeps me from being *too* conceited, LOL!

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying some of your other essays as well. I'm new to Hub, so this is an interesting introduction!

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benzino84 4 months ago

Free markets create competition. Competition says you must be a better innovator to beat me. Innovation means progression. Free markets and capitalism to mean fast paced evolution. Look at the information age and the internet. It has evolved nicely within a free market. Granted people are entitled to their intellectual property and have the right to earn and peddle their property within a free market. Something being immoral is a subjective and opinion based (usually instilled growing up and tied with environment). Albeit some or a substantial amount of goodness is inherent to all humans, for we know we must abide by societies laws in order to function in any economic system. There's always room for improvement in all areas though. Nothing's ever going to be perfect though, never 100% efficient.

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 4 months ago

benzino84: indeed. As for the link between free markets and evolution, and the role of competition, you might be interested to know that Darwin was highly influenced by Adam Smith.

You raise a good point about the need to abide by laws for any economic system to function. That gets to the meaning of "freedom", which is not as trivial as one might think. Laws are constraints, which means that they reduce degrees of freedom. So whatever system we do have depends on who writes and enforces the laws. And in a system that is based on free-market capitalism, that is generally those with the most capital. So you get a positive feedback loop where those with the most capital (power) get laws enacted that stack the deck in their favor, making it easier for them to acquire even more capital and thus become even more powerful, to the detriment of everyone else.

If we were to have a "system" that is truly free, we would have anarchy, every man and woman for him or herself, taking whatever they could get from wherever and whomever. There would be no laws. Then you would really see Darwinian evolution in action, red in tooth in claw. Let's hope that it doesn't come to that.

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benzino84 4 months ago

I've thought about anarchy and how things would get done. Yes that would be the free market in raw form. It is good to have the security of knowing there is law enforcement. It is possible to help get new laws enacted and ultimately is the will of the people. If the majority wants it, then they can rightly assemble and rightly petition. I like how Ron Paul voiced his stance on NDAA. I am definitely for him in that he wants to uphold the original constitution. And also that he seems to get it when he talks about prohibition to SSDP at campus press conferences. He seems to know how fund managers think. To have a president who is like taking out your credit card and multiplying your debt by 14 just to buy you food says something. Why would you allow him to live in your house for another 4 years? Buffet has clearly good reasoning. And able to reason without emotion. I wish he would run for presidentl. I would give him the benefit of the doubt to live another 20 years.

It is true some may lean to think others have an advantage when making laws. It really comes to look at history and what happens when people are beneath tyranny and injustice. That's when they make a stand and confrontation initiates change. It happened when the original colonies were under British rule and didn't think it was fair to be excessively taxed. It's happened throughout all of history. Just remember everything can be improved. I would like to see a system where voting can take place on the internet. If something trends then it can be voted on. And votes to take place frequently. It would be a seemingly fluid process. Liquidity is good in anything. No president. Relatively small government. Big enough just to function. It would seem people have an upper hand if born into money. They do and they don't. Like anything you have you have a few on either side of the spectrum but most of it is in the middle. Look at Carnegie and Rockefeller for example. Look where the started-at the bottom of the ladder. And look what they did for education, science, and medicine. No one thought a public library was possible. Self made from scratch from rags to riches. Rockefeller without a dad around for the majority of growing up. You have never seen a company have to be split up into 38 separate companies because it was a monopoly. We need to get rid of some of Nixon's crappy leftovers such as the Certifiicate of Need in healthcare. Here's were I would like to see integrative medicine spring up in a more free market.

Ty

Taylor Smith 2 months ago

So what's your solution Joyus?

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Joyus Crynoid Hub Author 2 months ago

I think at this stage of our development the only possible solution is government regulation. Ideally everything would be controlled locally, but I don't think that is realistic with the size of the population, and with the infrastructure we have developed and on which we now depend. Beyond that we all have to learn to do with a lot less, and change our basic way of life: our values, our way of acquiring knowledge, our conception of meaning and purpose, everything.

In short, my solution is for humanity to grow up and take responsibility for the power that our knowledge has granted us. That will only work if it happens from the bottom up, but government can provide context that facilitates that IF we can wrest it from corporate control.

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My Esoteric Level 6 Commenter 2 months ago

You hit the nail on the head.

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